I checked the Open Group FAQ on Motif, and there is no statement relative to CDE. I haven`t heard any rumours of CDE being released.

ICS` plans are to promote open source extensions to Open Motif that will make it cooperate with other non-Motif applications under Gnome and KDE. These projects should get more visibility soon in the "Motif Bazaar" section of the MotifZone. Help will be needed!

Mark

concerning the CDE, metrolink motif complete has some nice
feature included like xmterm, panel. the panel is configurable,
so you can get a CDE lookalike feeling, also xmterm really
rocks. i was a bit pissed up because openmotif hasn`t them
included, maybe its something of metrolinks own coding, i don`t exactly know. i wanted to mention this only... btw. i also
like the new ICONS that metrolink has added to their port
of motif. maybe we can get it aswell...

I have spoken to people from Sun microsystems
recently, and they admitted that KDE was used
by a lot of people internally inside Sun.

They also said that CDE is a dead end, as Sun
is concerned, no new features will be added in
the future.

It is worth asking them...

As long as the modifications are made to proprietary Motif, and Metrolink pays The Open Group a Motif royalty, they don`t have to make their enhancements public. It is only when they offer these enhancements within Open Motif itself do they need to make them available to all. (Note that if they are addon widgets that link to Open Motif, they don`t have to make them available either.)

Mark

Perhaps the best way to proceed is to start a project which will gather all that we have learned about GUIs and produce a viable and useful desktop. Perhaps an amalgamantion of Mac, BeOS, Windows, KDE, Gome, CDE utilizing what works and not what doesn`t.

I prefer twm... -)

Honestly though, KDE/CDE are real dogs when it comes to memory.

a good point to make it open source ;)

i started one some months ago as a simple (one person use) tool, i decided to continue it`s development the tool called "motif launcher" get it at http//www.fh-wilhelmshaven.de/~akcaagaa it really ned some development and new features and imporvements. maybe we could make some nice whings with it...

Hi,

Perhaps it`s worthwile looking at other people`s code like panel and xmtoolbsr (see http//www.lesstif.org/apps).

There are also some X11R5 motif programs lying around to be updated.. for instance mxterm, mxman and others (find them with http//ftpsearch.ntnu.no)

For that matter, are the developers working only
on the OpenMotif libraries itself?

well, i know of these utils. unfortunately they
never match to what i need. with MXTERM you are
tight that terminal should get support...

*grin*
it`s just I really dislike those Athena widgets. i`m patching the xterm rpm sources with motif as an alternative to Athena.

there should really be better support for xmterm!
i leeched an older version the past days and had a cleaner
look at the difference between motif and the normal version.
there should be a patch that makes XMTERM out of XTERM
and that patch should be as compatble as possible
for further comming xterms.

Yes. Perhaps an even better solution would be for OpenGroup to alter the current license and get OpenMotif to be part of XFree86. The main advantage of Motif over GTK/Qt (besides the large amount of experience around) IMO is that it`s a clean extension of X.

Anyway, I`ll try and fix xterm with Motifsupport when I have the time, which is probably next month.